tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post4528358187025291794..comments2024-03-28T01:27:23.408-04:00Comments on Health Care Renewal: IBM's Watson, Jeopardy, and "Revolutionizing Medicine"Roy M. Poses MDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00497209843184497847noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-29403931845330730832012-04-04T10:04:07.525-04:002012-04-04T10:04:07.525-04:00Anonymous March 28, 2012 2:00:00 AM EDT said...
t...Anonymous March 28, 2012 2:00:00 AM EDT said...<br /><br /><i>then explain to me why a postdoc in Biochemistry (avg +2 years more education in the sciences) earns $35K-$40K per annum versus an MD physician in the $150K-$250K range?</i><br /><br />Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that physicians have to do a residency and often postdocs themselves after the terminal degree, take BoardsInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-6757723592436392012-03-28T02:00:31.037-04:002012-03-28T02:00:31.037-04:00SS, then explain to me why a postdoc in Biochemist...SS, then explain to me why a postdoc in Biochemistry (avg +2 years more education in the sciences) earns $35K-$40K per annum versus an MD physician in the $150K-$250K range?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-53664871906138366512012-01-04T11:43:29.423-05:002012-01-04T11:43:29.423-05:00Anonymous November 15, 2011 11:20:00 PM EST said.....Anonymous November 15, 2011 11:20:00 PM EST said...<br /><br /><i>The arrogance of your profession and this false belief in your superior intellect that computing faculties will not replace diagnostic general internal medicine is wishful thinking ... Perhaps I'll attend medical school if I don't make millions in a hedge fund career.</i><br /><br />It is clear from your (anonymous) post InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-41642209053468004552011-11-15T23:20:07.495-05:002011-11-15T23:20:07.495-05:00Dear Dr Silverstein,
As you can tell, a person wi...Dear Dr Silverstein,<br /><br />As you can tell, a person with a 29-32 MCAT score, a typical internal medicine doctor earning $170K-220K/yr, is not a "genius" by any stretch of the imagination. A lot of people with science and engineering backgrounds can achieve similar marks. Yes, careers in medicine are determined by a linear, numerical analysis. It is not determined by who has the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-83349258026675003262011-10-14T18:22:10.239-04:002011-10-14T18:22:10.239-04:00Here's a recent update on Watson applications ...Here's a recent update on Watson applications for health care ...<br /><br />(http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/021711-ibm-watson-healthcare-job.html?page=1)<br /><br />(http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Health-Care-IT/IBM-WellPoint-Developing-Health-Care-Applications-for-Watson-417553/)<br /><br />With a major health insurance provider, as a backer, what was a type of theatrical demonstration, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-33078128095851653212011-09-12T21:33:40.440-04:002011-09-12T21:33:40.440-04:00Anonymous May 17, 2011 12:26:00 AM EDT said..
I ...Anonymous May 17, 2011 12:26:00 AM EDT said..<br /><br /><i>I believe these kinds of artificial intelligence-based tools can, and should, be developed to benefit our current and future workforces of doctors, not replace them. </i><br /><br />Agreed, but the hype that has been proffered at least since the 1950's about cybernetic intelligence is tiring, to say the least.<br /><br />-- SSInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-91891734086610678662011-05-17T00:26:22.495-04:002011-05-17T00:26:22.495-04:00Scot M Silverstein MD said...
"...medicine ...Scot M Silverstein MD said... <br /><br /><i>"...medicine is not about recalling trivial factoids of information based on parsing natural language queries in the "puzzle format" of Jeopardy. As I wrote here and here, medicine is not a platform database information retrieval problem. ... Regarding NLP and fact retrieval 'tours de force' like IBM Watson, medicine is about Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-60147234213483251312011-02-25T13:48:19.839-05:002011-02-25T13:48:19.839-05:00I note that the WSJ published my comments "a...I note that the WSJ <a href="http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2011/02/medinformaticsmd-in-wsj-again-no.html" rel="nofollow">published my comments</a> <i>"about human judgment born of experience in dealing with ambiguity not just of language but of observations, findings, lab data, image interpretation, etc., about human intuition and assemblage and integration of a huge amount of disparate InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-83981899957223740502011-02-19T15:43:10.985-05:002011-02-19T15:43:10.985-05:00Anonymous at February 18, 2011 5:14:00 PM EST ramb...Anonymous at February 18, 2011 5:14:00 PM EST rambles:<br /><br /><i>Just so you know, I know 5-6 PhDs in engineering (biomedical, chemical, & electrical), who got over > 35s on the MCATs and went to medical school. None of them speak of medicine as follows:<br /><br />"about human judgment born of experience in dealing with ambiguity not just of language but of observations, findingsInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-12682995796772028102011-02-18T17:14:16.070-05:002011-02-18T17:14:16.070-05:00"I also predict you're relatively young. ..."I also predict you're relatively young. I pity your generation. "<br /><br />Thank you for the ad hominem maneuver. FYI, I'm not that young, but it was a nice try.<br /><br />Just so you know, I know 5-6 PhDs in engineering (biomedical, chemical, & electrical), who got over > 35s on the MCATs and went to medical school. None of them speak of medicine as follows:<br /><brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-63298544574822645782011-02-18T12:07:40.644-05:002011-02-18T12:07:40.644-05:00Anonymous at February 16, 2011 8:59:00 PM EST writ...Anonymous at February 16, 2011 8:59:00 PM EST writes:<br /><br /><i>the processing speeds of today's supercomputers still lack the overall power for the contextual analysis required to make the decisions which appear to be mundane human-like.</i><br /><br />Interesting views. I agree that "humans lose in the end" when people start to believe in cybernetic miracles, but not for the InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-16218573445812518542011-02-16T20:59:13.092-05:002011-02-16T20:59:13.092-05:00I don't mean to bust anyone's bubble but h...I don't mean to bust anyone's bubble but humans lose in the end, regardless of Watson's current defects.<br /><br />In the past, computers and machines have lagged behind the knowledge work needed for a modern society. So while a word processor eliminated many manual typewriters, the fact remains that PCs need maintenance, upgrades, and of course, Microsoft always adds something to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-38177353268574304242011-01-31T12:39:50.446-05:002011-01-31T12:39:50.446-05:00Anonymous January 29, 2011 12:30:00 AM EST writes:...Anonymous January 29, 2011 12:30:00 AM EST writes:<br /><br /><i>I am guessing Mr. Spero Melior is also an MD doctor like Mr. Silverstein. It's not difficult to guess the reason behind their extreme reactions</i><br /><br />I cannot speak for Dr. Melior, but considering the megabytes I've written on this blog and at my academic site about health IT problems and the thousands of hyperlinksInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-67054809787040502552011-01-29T00:30:59.936-05:002011-01-29T00:30:59.936-05:00I am guessing Mr. Spero Melior is also an MD docto...I am guessing Mr. Spero Melior is also an MD doctor like Mr. Silverstein. It's not difficult to guess the reason behind their extreme reactions, but all I want to say as a consumer rather than being the provider of health care service, is that the present system pretty much sucks! Its frustrating for us as ordinary people when the care-givers take us for a ride at our most distressing times! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-30592147887269995272011-01-18T17:06:12.158-05:002011-01-18T17:06:12.158-05:00That so many "leaders" in mainstream IT ...<i>That so many "leaders" in mainstream IT have such a naive view of healthcare is certainly very disturbing.</i><br /><br />I would call it more an arrogant view. They assume medicine is like their own fields and make leaps of logic that appear silly to those who actually know the domain. <br /><br />-- SSInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-74590584983288748932011-01-18T09:21:27.195-05:002011-01-18T09:21:27.195-05:00That so many "leaders" in mainstream IT ...That so many "leaders" in mainstream IT have such a naive view of healthcare is certainly very disturbing. Besides IBM with Watson, we also have the CEO of Google saying that expert systems are the IT elixir that can cure what ails our health care system. <br /><br />But I have to alternately shake my head, stare in disbelief, chuckle, and outright guffaw at each of these "Spero meliorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02901243791277286329noreply@blogger.com