tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post6024045749168896727..comments2024-03-28T01:27:23.408-04:00Comments on Health Care Renewal: NY Times Proclaims Anyone Can Run a Health Care Organization "with a Little Studying Up"Roy M. Poses MDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00497209843184497847noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-28468211587771203452009-08-26T23:04:08.844-04:002009-08-26T23:04:08.844-04:00Anonymous also wrote:
"Frankly, requiring to...Anonymous also wrote:<br /><br />"<i>Frankly, requiring top health care executives to be clinicians both deprives us of some great clinicians at the patient's bedside and guarantees organizations lack critical business skills</i>."<br /><br />Frankly, this is nonsense.<br /><br />This person clearly believes clinicians as a monolithic group lack substantive business skills, a ratherInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-46489792050123558582009-08-26T22:51:10.305-04:002009-08-26T22:51:10.305-04:00Regarding DuPont:
At Wilmington Rotary ca. 1997, ...Regarding DuPont:<br /><br />At Wilmington Rotary ca. 1997, the (nonmedical) CEO of DuPont was asked (by yours truly) how he intended to transform DuPont from a primarily chemical-based company to a genomics-oriented drug discovery company, as he'd promised to do. His answer? "I will become an expert in genomics." <br /><br />How well did that work out, exactly?<br /><br />Also, InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-32210486598571828902009-08-26T21:30:24.172-04:002009-08-26T21:30:24.172-04:00Anonymous, some of what DuPont does has to do with...Anonymous, some of what DuPont does has to do with science, and some doesn't. It is not clear whether the person who came from DuPont worked their in a biomedical scientific capacity, or did something else.<br /><br />If you bothered to read my comment above, you might have realized that I already have read a bit about the Bloomberg Public Health School. However, the NY Times article did Roy M. Poses MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497209843184497847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-69070522465470850312009-08-26T17:46:32.303-04:002009-08-26T17:46:32.303-04:00Dear Dr. Poses:
First, I suggest you look into wh...Dear Dr. Poses:<br /><br />First, I suggest you look into what it is DuPont does. It has something to do with science. <br /><br />Second, the article clearly identifies that Mr. Ward completed a master's degree in health science and management, which if you google Hopkins and those terms pops you right into their web site, where you can learn more about their curriculum.<br /><br />FranklyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-85427918665007590142009-08-26T15:12:32.836-04:002009-08-26T15:12:32.836-04:00Wasn't this issue basically settled in the Fle...Wasn't this issue basically settled in the Flexner report of 1910?<br /><br />-- SSInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-18253005607194949122009-08-26T13:00:14.055-04:002009-08-26T13:00:14.055-04:00Okay so this sounds like it is turning into a knit...Okay so this sounds like it is turning into a knit picking conversation. I think that yes, there are some great leaders who can come into the health care arena with no previous health care experience. I will not deny that people from a varied background can offer new refreshing ideas. <br /><br />However, as a health care provider, I am a little concerned about bringing in an overwhelming Christine 77https://www.blogger.com/profile/02810360977576027621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-46981964496985066972009-08-26T12:41:13.494-04:002009-08-26T12:41:13.494-04:00Abby, sure, but Mr Levy is exceptional in many way...Abby, sure, but Mr Levy is exceptional in many ways.Roy M. Poses MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497209843184497847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-36449505200165674542009-08-26T12:13:19.689-04:002009-08-26T12:13:19.689-04:00I think that Paul Levy, CEO, of BIDMC has, on the ...I think that Paul Levy, CEO, of BIDMC has, on the whole, done a really good job turning that place around from financial catastrophe. And he clearly cares about medical care. His no central line infection campaign is a tribute to that.<br /><br />I think that his previous experience was in water management (I haven't been able to find his resume.)Abbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-75951529591378560172009-08-26T08:50:32.090-04:002009-08-26T08:50:32.090-04:00This issue runs into the larger debate concerning ...This issue runs into the larger debate concerning health care reform. Last night while watching what passes for news I was struck by a liberal's position that universal health care will eliminate illness and thus improve productivity. I fail to see the relationship between the flu, and other maladies such as gall stones, diabetes, bad knees, etc., and insurance. People are still going to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-75937291771783986682009-08-25T20:54:03.982-04:002009-08-25T20:54:03.982-04:00No, Dr. Poses, the article provided just two examp...No, Dr. Poses, the article provided just two examples of individuals without extensive health care experience or education (and two examples of people who did seek further health care education). And one of those two without education had more than two decades of business experience in a scientific field. I'd humbly suggest that bringing someone into an organization with a fresh and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-83542744327873455262009-08-25T20:40:41.286-04:002009-08-25T20:40:41.286-04:00Also see:
A WILD CHOICE FOR ACTING DEAN OF DARTMO...Also see:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024370.php" rel="nofollow">A WILD CHOICE FOR ACTING DEAN OF DARTMOUTH</a><br /><br />This problem of putting those without adequate experience and expertise in leadership has become commonplace if not universal.InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-8534947191635874792009-08-25T20:28:33.379-04:002009-08-25T20:28:33.379-04:00I believe the issue is ideological, regarding one&...I believe the issue is ideological, regarding one's views on the need for rigorous expertise in complex biomedical fields.<br /><br />The business school view seems to be if you've run McDonald's, you can run anything. (Pfizer took that to heart - literally.)<br /><br />In other words, some have a world view that formal education and experience in biomedicine is unnecessary for InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-51841957698046249052009-08-25T14:38:53.296-04:002009-08-25T14:38:53.296-04:00Anonymous, it is true that Mr Ward did take the tr...Anonymous, it is true that Mr Ward did take the trouble to get a health care related degree and do a hospital-based internship. But the article furnished several other examples of people who apparently jumped into health care without any health care related education or experience. It also suggested that people could get highly paid health care management jobs with no more than a little "Roy M. Poses MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497209843184497847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-27004676790116084812009-08-25T14:26:23.444-04:002009-08-25T14:26:23.444-04:00I know snark and outrage get attention in the blog...I know snark and outrage get attention in the blogosphere, but how about a little reality check. Mr. Ward, for example, coupled an undergraduate degree and 8 years of business experience with a rigorous 2 year program of study at one of the best universities in the world, including a full year in which his education took place in a health care setting.<br /><br />Yes, there are plenty of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-60357662726514986772009-08-25T13:53:04.995-04:002009-08-25T13:53:04.995-04:00Reading this is absolutely frightening. Promoting...Reading this is absolutely frightening. Promoting non-related professionals to the healthcare field is a total contradiction to what our country claims to be achieving. It is disappointing to think that this may be the approach taken while the healthcare system continues to reflect a deficit in the quality of services provided.Christine 77https://www.blogger.com/profile/02810360977576027621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9551150.post-66847023097139781202009-08-24T22:10:42.397-04:002009-08-24T22:10:42.397-04:00Having posted many times on the issue of "exp...Having posted many times on the issue of "expertise not needed" relative to HIT, the mother of all statements on management of Health IT has to be this from about 10 years ago:<br /><br />From an article in the journal “Healthcare Informatics”:<br /><br /><i>I don't think a degree gets you anything," says healthcare recruiter Lion Goodman, president of the Goodman Group in San InformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.com